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Accession NumberCT023
TitleCarroll Hull
DescriptionInterview with Carroll Meredith Hull. Fruit growing by 3 generations of the Hulls. Time 52:55
MediumCassette Tape
FacilityYakima Valley Museum
LocationCassette Tapes
Full TextHD: Harriet Dahl

CMH: Carroll Meredith Hull

HD: This is an interview of CM Hull who lives at 8805 Occidental Ave. Mr. Hull is an orchardist and cattle rancher in this area. This interview took place May 2, 1977 in Mr. Hull's office. The interviewee is Harriet Dahl, representing the Yakima Valley Museum. Mr. Hull your father, Nathan Hull had one of the first orchards in the Ahtanum area. Where was it located and what farming methods did you use compared to the present day operations

CMH: There's not much relationship between the present methods used, as far back as I can remember to the present operations. His first orchard was planted just north of the town of Ahtanum, in the flat. One of the best places not to raise orchard. And he planted eight acres and I think he went through the nursery books and ordered one or two of every variety that there was. Some of the varieties that we don't use in town much. He had madenblesh, 20oz pippin , wagner, lupearmaine, Ben Davis and the whole gamet of apples besides several varieties of pears. He also had a dairy ranch, located adjacent to the orchard, and pasture on the hillside. The uh, my first recollection of the fruit business was the packing operation we had. I don't remember the name of the man that was doing the picking, but there was Mrs. Lindsay who lived south and a little west of Ahtanum, who did the packing. She had a canvas spread on the ground under a tree, where the man was picking and he'd come down and dump his bucket of apples, on the canvas beside her and climb back up the tree while she packed them. I don't remember there being any sorting to amount to anything, but she had a block of wood under the end of the box to hold it up in place and she was just down on her hunkers, packing. When that tree was finished the man would move her box up to the next tree to be picked, and they would go on from there, tree to tree. And then we had an old horse named Roffie {or Rossie}. By the way we had moved away from that house and moved to town when I was four years old. So I didn't know the operation very much.

HD: But you did live on this orchard property

Yes, I was born in the house, right across the ditch from the orchard. And, near the dairy farm. We had just moved into the house just shortly before. We lived in the grainry while dad was building the house. We had an old, what we call a stone boat now, but they hauled the apples, and whatever there was to haul around. And on that same stone boat we had a spray pump. Had a barrel, 50 gallon barrel that we would spray in it. And the suction pump from the pump and the man stood on the stone boat and pumped by hand.

HD: Why was it called a stone boat?

CMH: I guess because they used them when they were hauling stones off the ranch. It was just a flat sled with a couple of flat wood runners.

HD: Was it pulled by horses?

CMH: One horse usually. And then we had two horses when we used the wagon. I remember that we used to take the wagon and go up on the hillside someplace and get sagebrush to burn. I still remember the smell of that burning sagebrush, its kinda nostalgic. And I don't know right at first where he took the apples, where he marketed the apples. But a little later they built a warehouse in Ahtanum and uh, they hauled the apples down and had them packed there in the warehouse. They hadn't developed very many of the pests yet, but we used arsenic of lead for coddling moths, which came in five gallon cans, buckets, which had to be mixed thoroughly before it was put into the barrel. And lime sulfur for scale and I'm not sure if there was any other pests or not but, uh, as the orchard grew my father finally sold part of it and then went more into the dairying and he was preparing to plant orchard up on the heights, Ahtanum Heights, just north of Ahtanum, north and west. So we moved to town and during the school year I went to school in Yakima. And uh, would come out and back in the tent, in the summer time when school was out. And he had a real estate office in town. He was in partnership with two different people that I remember. One was Jay O'Jeffery and later with O.A. Clarke, the father of Cecil Clarke. And Cecil and I later got to be buddies in High school, Yakima High school which is now Davis.

HD: But he still kept the orchard and the dairy business, even when you lived in town?

CMH: Yes. He hired someone to run the dairy when he was in town. And later, he moved the dairy up on the hill and Mr. Dakota, the father of the Dakota Boys: Henry is still in the cattle business. Roy was just my age, he passed away. He and I used to trap sage rats. And uhm, the other boy was, went into the machinery business and started what is now Dakota airplane, manufacturing airplane parts for Boeing.

HD: So they were a early Yakima Family too, as well as the Hull Family? Now, uh even though you lived in town did you come out and work in the orchard on the weekends, as a young man?

CMH: Well uh, we put the work in parenthesis, quotations because uh, when I got into high school we moved out back to the ranch. We bought the Stair Place which is what we call the Home Place now: where my son Hubert lives. We moved into the old house where Mr. Stuart was living. He was a relative of Mrs. Woodcock, I think (laugh) We bought that 20 acres and bought the present house that is there after a few years. I remember we had a cistern out in back a the house and I hauled water from an artesian well down in Wide Hollow with a team and wagon, to fill the cistern once or twice a year. Then uh, the year before the tieton project came into operation we planted about, I think, about 40 acres up here on the hill which is where our main orchard is now. We hauled water with a team and wagon from the creek the first year before water came to the tieton, to get a one year head-start in the orchard. They did very well in this soil. Took quite a lot of leveling because there was kinda humps and low places and then leveled it off so it could be irrigated when the tieton came along.

Then we had a house where the Dakotas live up on the western part of the place. And they dug a well by hand a hundred feet deep, using a wench and rope to pull the bucket up. I think that was a dangerous operation, I'd hate to work down below while their hauling that water up, or that bucket of rocks up. It was hardpan all the way down.

HD: And you still winched it by hand. {This was a quiet spot in the tape and it is difficult to understand what Mrs. Dahl is saying}

CMH: Later when electricity came we hung a casing down and used that well to take care of the rocks we hauled off the place. We also had a hand dug well at the home place down the hill, twenty or thirty feet deep. We, I was in school most of the time except in the summer time. Then when I got big enough I worked, we raised potatoes and even some corn in the orchard. About the best way to keep me out of mischief, I think was with a one horse cultivator and cultivate corn and potatoes. When we weren't cultivating why, I'd have to pull weeds by hand. I had a cousin who lived in town, Deveins {spelling we called him, who used to come out and stay with us in the summer time. He now goes by the name of Jim, and owns an insurance business in Seattle. The name of James Deveins. R.E. Hull was his father who owned an insurance business in town.

HD: I bet he didn't envy you country kids. Did he help you when he came out to visit?

CMH: My Dada used to say "One boy is a boy, two boys is a half a boy and three boys is no boy at all". {Laughter}. So, uh, he enjoyed coming out. We'd ride horseback and things. I think he enjoyed it; getting out of town.

HD: Did you say you went to school in Yakima?

CMH: Yes, I started and went to the Summitview School where Roosevelt is now. It's a different building of course. I went there the first four years. I guess only the first two years, because I stayed home, and mother being a school teacher, taught me at home. So I started the last of the second grade. We, I got off to a bad start as a kid. I had three sets of cousins; Three families. There was the Moore's who then lived I n what is now our home place. And The Merrits who lived down on Occidental, what is now Occidental, I don't know if it had any name before or not. But they lived a mile down the road. And then the Schwartze family. Mrs. Merrit was my Father's sister and they, um, they had several children but, but two that were particularly knew was Grace and Nate. They were; Nate was probably five or six years older; four of five years older than I am. Grace; two or three years older than me. Then Mrs. Moore was my mother's sister. And they had two children about the same age as the Merrit children. That was Fannie and we called him Graham then but he always went by Max after he grew up. And uh, The Schwartze family, Mrs. Schwartze was my mother's sister also. And they had Charlie and Zooma who were just about the same age as the other two sets.

HD: You had lots of cousins.

CMH: Well I'm just naming the ones that were particularly connected with me. {Laughter}. Those kids; their main aim in life, as I can remember it was just deviling me. And I, the only weapon I had was a rag doll that mother made for me, with a celluloid head. And I carried that thing by the head foot and waited on them when I'd get mad enough. {laughter}. So, later we moved into the real estate deal. My dad got a, got ten acres on 16th Avenue. We lived down on that for a while. And that was right across from the cemetery {Tahoma}. But, uh, so I started School when I was past eight years old and I'd never learned to play except to be deviled by this cousin of mine. I hated school with a passion. All through grammar school; especially the first few years; all I can remember about it was it seemed like all the kids were laughing at me because I didn't know how to play. Well, I was kinda behind in school. After I got into high school I enjoyed it a little better. The last couple years Cecil Clarke and me got to be buddies. And we spent quite a lot of time together. And we had many good times. So, um, then when I graduated from high school I went down to Occidental College, in Los Angeles, just out of Los Angeles. And I'm not sure why I went there unless it was in order that I meet my wife, that I met there.

HD: It worked out that way anyway.

CMH: It surely did. So, in the latter part of my junior year I got to going with her. She was a pretty little black eyed gal.

HD: And her maiden name was, until you changed it?

CMH: Florence Kenworthy. And she, uh, she had a brother who was three years younger. And two older sisters. The brother was Clifford {legally Luther Clifford} and next the youngest was Florence and then Gertrude who married Buford Snelling, and they and the parents moved up Yakima the first year after we were married.

HD: originally where was she from?

CMH: From Eagle Rock, California. Just between; just out of Glendale.

HD: Oh so, she was a Californian, not a Washingtonian.

Right, then uh, her older sister, married a quite prominent surgeon down there. And when he passed away, why she moved up here. She's Mrs. Rinkenberger know who was. Mrs. Snelling passed away and the brother is still down there. I can't even get Florence to go back for a visit. She is thoroughly weaned from California.

HD: Sold on the Yakima Valley.

CMH: And her parents lived right here close to us in the latter years of their lives. And they were very happy here. We, were very active in the Presbyterian church, as were the Snellings. Mrs. Snelling passed away about a year ago. They were deacons in the church. And Mrs. Rinkenberger later became a deacon in our church. I have the honor of being the elder who is the longest standing there.

HD: Now which Presbyterian Church.

CMH: First Presbyterian Church. And uh, very interesting. I have a handwritten copy of the minutes of the Buffalo Presbyterian Church where my Grandfather {Henry Hubbard Hull} was Clerk of Session and where my father received infant baptism.

HD: Oh, and what year would that be?

CMH: 1865. My father was a longtime elder in the Presbyterian Church. And after he passed away, in honor of him, I guess they elected me elder in 1930, and I've been an elder since then. And both of my boys; Hubert and David; they're both elders in the Presbyterian Church. And I got the very happy news yesterday that our oldest grandson Stephen had been asked to be an elder in the Presbyterian Church. So that makes five consecutive generations of us.

HD: That's very interesting. I know as well as being active in your Presbyterian Church, you've also been active in the Union Gospel Mission. So why don't you tell us some of the, uh, that background.

CMH: Yes, that's been a very happy experience to work with those people down there. A group from the Presbyterian Church, when Dr. Ghormely was the associate pastor there. Happened to be there the night that Jim Albren, who later became the Superintendent of the mission, received the Lord. I inherited several other positions that my Dad had. Out of honor I think they elected me to the board of the Sunshine Mining Company. Makes me feel kinda old because I've served on that longer than anyone else. And, uh, he was one of the original directors of the Liberty Savings and Loan and I took his place on the board there after he passed away. And Title Guarantee and Abstract Company, as it was known then. I served on the board there until that was sold out to another concern. And the Liberty investment Company. In more recent years now; well I'm still an elder at the Presbyterian Church, and a member there. It's the only church I ever belonged to. But, my wife and I have been working up at the mission in Tampico. It was started by the American Sunday School Union and I have the privilege of being the Superintendent of the Sunday School there and teach the adult class and my wife teaches the preschoolers.

HD: Is that the only Sunday School activity up there on Sunday mornings?

CMH: Yes, Tampico is older than Yakima and there has never been a church there. The Sunday School Union started a Sunday School there many years ago. When Mr. Burt Pickens, who recently passed away was their Sunday School missionary. But he didn't last but a few years; I don't know just why. They met in the school house there. But know we meet in the fire hall, or the community hall. Which was built by the Ward's with the money from the insurance of their boy Rodney, who was killed in Vietnam. {Note: according to other claims this was the Weed Family, not the Ward family as Mr. Hull says}. So we have a growing concern there. We now have a pastor and have services on Sunday. And Bible class also on Sunday evening which our pastor teaches. Usually our pastor is Reverend Jim Goerz, who has multiple sclerosis and is not able to teach full time. And he teaches the Sunday evening Bible class. And when he is not, why I take his place there.

HD: Do you remember Tampico as a boy?

CMH: Yes, we used to go up there on horseback and with horse and buggy and various means of transportation before the automobiles became envoked {?}.

HD: Did you go up to Soda Springs to picnic? Other people talk about that.

CMH: That was the place to go in the early days. I spent two summer vacations up there with the Clark Family. Cecil and we uh; the first time I think we went with horses, but uh, the last time we went with an old Pierce Arrow car.

HD: Mighty dusty roads I imagine.

CMH: Yes it was real dusty and rough and the place would just be full of tents and campers. We occasionally hit a rattlesnake.

HD: Make it exciting for the campers.

CMH: Yes, my boys now have taken over the, my boys and their sons have taken over the active name of the ranches. We are kinda spread out and leasing five eighties of Indian land on the reservation on this side of the hill, north side. And we are also have bought the old Woodhouse place, which is quite a historic place in the olden days. One of the first places settled.

HD: Now where is that located?

CMH: Just south and a little west of Wiley City. There was Nathan Olney who was a very interesting character. Married an Indian down at the Dalles and became kind of a go-between between the Indians and the whites in the wars. He got a stray arrow in the back of his head. And the first roundup they had on the place, the place which we now own. The horse stepped in a hole and fell on him and drove that arrow in him.

HD: And that was right on some of the property that you now have.

CMH. Yes, and the old locust tree is there right by the spring, where he brought the seed in his pocket from a locust tree down at the Dalles.

HD: Well that would certainly make it a historical site as far as we're concerned. You say that you have orchard yet and then you have cattle operations?

CMH: Yes, we have, we raise hay and grain and corn on the ordinary years on the open land, but being under the Ahtanum creek we won't raise much this year because of the draught.

HD: Do you recall any year such as the one we are facing?

CMH: No, I'm sure there hasn't been one in recorded history that was as serious a draught as we have this year. Because there's just no snow in the hills on the Ahtanum watershed to amount to anything at all. Uh, the orchards are under tieton and it looks like we're going to get 73% of our allotment, usual allotment, this year. But, course that is subject to weather that might come, might be a regular …. Gully washer.

HD: We'd like to see that.

CMH: Yes, but uh it just doesn't seem to be able to rain to amount to anything. We had a little bit this morning but enough to make the grass wet.

HD: You think that 73% can carry us through if we use it well?

CMH: I think by being very careful we can get through by using our 73%. Course there's the Rosa and the Kittitas and different projects that have much less. The Rosa very little. They're in trouble been many artesian wells drilled but nothing. Hopefully they'll get by if they don't lower the water table until even they run out of water. I know there are wells, shallower wells, that are going dry already. But, it's been a bonanza for the well drilling industry.

HD: But there have been years in the past when there has been a shortage?

CMH: Yes.

HD: Not this severe but-

CMH: Nothing like this. If we had lots of snow it wouldn't be so serious, if Rimrock wasn't full, but with the shortage of snow up there, and the ground was dry to start with. It's just soaking up a lot of it as it melts.

HD:In the early days when you Dad had the orchard in the lowlands there, did he have problems with the blossoms freezing in the spring? Is that why he moved up on the hill?

CMH: Yes, I think so. Deep soil isn't as good for orchard as the lighter soil on the hills is. Anyway, you're more likely to get big apples and lots of tree growth and good quality and color.

HD: And I suppose he reel {?} irrigated?

CMH: Oh yes.

HD: Now are you still doing some of that or have you changed over to sprinklers?

CMH: Very little. We are almost 100% sprinkler irrigated now. Except in the corn ground on the reservation. We reel irrigate that.

HD: So farming methods have certainly changed a lot. Do you anticipate that your grandsons, might they continue in the orchard business, will see a just as much of the change?

CMH: I think so, every change that we've had, it seemed to me that that was the ultimate but uh, it keeps on changing. Even the varieties keep changing. Our main orchard was planted to winesaps, jonathans, a few newtons and then pear and peach fillers. Course we have no pear and peach fillers now. We have some blocks of pears and a few scattered pears left over, but no peaches any more.

HD: Why did they use pear and peach fillers?

CMH: Probably the theory that pear trees were smaller and maybe, I expect they figure that when the apple trees got bigger they could cut out the fillers and give the apples room to grow. And the peaches were shorter life tree anyway and so. And then the problem of cleaning. We didn't used to have to clean apples. I remember we got an old brusher to start out with. And then we got the washing, apple washing has gone through many changes and improvements. And now you even have to wax em'.

HD: Right.

CMH: Which doesn't help any I think.

HD: Appeals to the customer and that's what were out for is to sell them.

CMH: I don' t think some of the bud sports, especially the dark, toward black ones. I don't like them nearly as much as I did the standard delicious for instance. The skin is tough on them and I don't think they have the flavor that the old standard delicious had. They all of em' reds. The lady with the market basket picks up the red ones.

HD: Lookin' for the color. You say you had winesaps and newtons and I suppose you went to standard delicious and then-

CMH: When we took the jonathans out. We had jonathans and winsaps. And when we took the jonathans out we put the delicious back in standard delicious. And then we went from that to the starkings and now they're nearly –

HD: Obsolete.

CMH: Replaced by. And each time I think that they get em' blacker, we some more of the-

HD: What varieties do you have {?}

CMH: Yes, {?}. Course I think they are a good type of tree, it has a good apple. The first

HD: And also these newer varieties the {?} type trees are more compact and um they don't grow quite as much do they?

CMH: Course another change that been in process is many more dwarf orchards where they have many more trees to the acre and it's easier to handle them.

HD: What type of root stock do you have on most of your {?} type trees?

CMH: We haven't specialize too much, we haven't gone … or the dwarf trees. We haven't gone into that.

HD: You have seedling root stock then?

CMH: Yes.

HD: If you have the land then you don't really need to be as compact maybe as others.

CMH: Well you've got to start all over again and that expensive.

HD: That's right. Well I know that you not only are an orchardist but you've also been involved in some businesses. When we talked before you said that you knew and worked with Elmer Berglund, and I also said that my father was a good friend of Elmer Berglund. What business were you involved in with old Elmer?

CMH: It was worth being in business just to get acquainted with Elmer. We all called him Swede and uh, I asked him one day if he ever, nobody ever told him that damn Swede was two words. (Laughter) Every Swede that came into the place, he'd say "come in here you damn Swede". (laughter).

HD: That's right, my dad used to tell many stories about them too. He could talk in a way that would offend, oh if you and I did it, it would offend people, but he didn't offend people.

CMH: No, I don't know why. But everybody liked Elmer. It was a sorry day, he was a real close friend of mine and to know that along at the last he became a very devout Christina too. His language had improved considerably.

HD: After that. But people liked Elmer. Now you are saying that you did too. Why? What was there about him?

CMH: He was just a good guy and he was so god natured about everything. And he was a good salesman. He was our salesman down at the implement company.

HD: What kind, what did you sell in the early days of that? That was called Turner Implement?

CMH: Yes, Frederick Turner was another cousin of mine and he came out from Wisconsin and uh, went in business with us. When Lindamen Company started building the track attachment for the B model John Deere, I went in just as a kind of silent partner with Jess Lindaman on that deal. And John Deere bought them out because they were getting too many chances for profit for themselves. They didn't want to leave the other invention that Jess Lindeman had invented as orphans so they got Curtis Edwards, who was their engineer to take over the manufacturing and Curtis Edwards and Jess Lindeman and Frederick Turner and I built a building and started the Edwards Equipment Company. We finally had the chance to get the agency for the Fergusson tractor when West Side Implement Company went out of business. So we agreed to take it providing we'd Swede Berglund for our salesman.

HD: Because he-

CMH: He was the salesman for the Westside Implement Company. So the four of us went in together and the Curtis Edwards liked the manufacturing better and the rest of us liked the retailing. So we kinda split up. But he was still a going relationship with us. And Curtis Edwards was killed in a plane crash. And Swede Berglund got cancer and died. And the Turner's had four farms back in Wisconsin and started having grandchildren along with their other crops. So they moved back . And I was a silent partner left solely holding the sack. And we uh, had chance to get Datsun Car. So we took one on a trial basis. And the implement people begrudged every inch of space it took. But uh, now it's grown into really the biggest part of our business and uh, we're getting our debts paid off and getting on the right side of the ledger.

HD: But you still are selling Massy- Fergusson tractors?

CMH: Yes. Massey, the Massey company consolidated with the Fergusson Company and they call it Massey Fergusson. So we have Massey Fergusson line, and Hesston, A equipment, Wisconsin motors and several other lines. And the Datsun cars.

HD: And they're the seller now that we all have to conserve energy

CMH: Yea, that's "no big loss without some small gain" my father used to say. There's been a boost for small cars.

HD: Do you remember the first tractor that your dad had, in the orchard?

CMH: Yes, an old Case with spades on the wheels for-. Then we uh, couldn't get parts for it anymore so we bought an old one and used for parts. Then we got a Fordson and that was one of them that tested my religion. Try to crank that thing on a cold morning and it'd just get one cough and another cough. So, but now we got the Massey-Fergusson and I think that's a very fine line.

HD: But the first tractors, and I know many people in the valley had the Fordsons, were an improvement over the horses.

CMH: They had their advantage but not the personality (Laughter).

HD: That's probably true. Do you foresee that we will go beyond the tractor?

CMH: Well, uh, I heard that down in Texas, where they had some floods, I believe it was in Texas, that they were moving cabbage out with helicopters. But-.

HD: That would be getting our apples to the market very quickly anyway. If not feasibly.

CMH: One of the things that's really been quite a change is going from trucks or largely from the rails for shipping. There's lots of rail cars yet but much more by truck than there's ever been before.

HD: Well and then too how about going from picking in boxes to picking in bins?

CMH: Yes, and then we have the attachment for the orchard apes and various types of picking devices. Topping machines for the topping of trees which is of questionable value in my estimation but it's in places an advantage.

HD: well the boxes or the replacement of boxes with bins. I remember when there was a fear that apples would be bruised and so on. But that hasn't really proved to be true has it?

CMH: No, especially when they've got the water dumps. Float the apples out of the bins.

HD: So it was the dumping out, or the emptying more than the filling that caused the bruising?

CMH: Well every little bit added on

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CMH: We have two cold storage buildings now.

HD: How about a CA?

CMH: No, we stored some in other CA's. Like with Clasen's and Gilbert's and different ones. But, we might change on to a CA someday. that's up to the kids.

HD: Well that certainly has improved the keeping quality of apples.

CMH: Yes. It's more expensive of course.

HD: Yes. A little different marketing situation too.

CMH: Then we've got a little more into cattle than we used to be. We have rangeland that we lease from Boise Cascade Company. And then this year we bought another heard of cattle and got the permits to go into the forestry land.

HD: Do you think they'll {there will be} be range land for them?

CMH: well it's going to take a lot more moving around; a lot more riding than it has previously. But I think we'll get by.

HD: And I suppose you've seen as many changes in cattle ranching as you have in orchard?

CMH: Well, not so many. Course their improving the strands of cattle with the Charlette and the cross breeds. But, you can't herd horses {I think that he probably means cows} in the hills with tractors.

HD: Not even with jeeps?

CMH: Well there's places where jeeps go but the cattle go other places where they can't go and then we're lost. Gotta have a horse.

HD: Then you still move you herds around with horses?

CMH: Yes. Truck them to the hills and back from the hills.

HD: How long do you keep your cattle up in the hills?

CMH: Well we move them up to the lower hills; the lower range, just before the first of April this year, I think the first one up {was} the 26th of March. But we can't go into the forest until the first of July. And hopefully we can hold them down cause they move around up there.

HD: They're ready to go.

CMH: Yes. Because if the feed's dry they keep moving but we're trying to keep them off because they're {forest service} very strict about keeping them off until the first of July.

HD: Well I know you've been busy man with your farms and your business and so on, but I'm still going to ask you if you have time or have gotten involved in any hobbies or collections, you know, that kind of thing?

CMH: No, well yes, grandchildren. {Laughter}. We have twelve grandchildren, eight great-grandchildren and we're expecting.

HD: Now I don't know if you mentioned in the first place how many children you have.

CMH: We just have the two boys.

HD: Two boys. Well they've done very well for you then?

CMH: And if the next generation does as well in proportion {laughter}-

HD: There'll be another long line of farmers. Now you say your sons are in the farming business. How about any of the grandsons?

CMH: Well, Steve, Hubert's oldest boy is orchard foreman now and Hubert, he is in charge of selling fruit seeing about storage and also I'm trying to back off a little bit from the implement company and his family seems to be interested there. And his second boy, Tim, we'll be planning his graduation from Wheaton college about the 20th of May and being married back in, just across from Washington D.C. in Virginia on the 26th. So we'll have to take a little-

HD: A little trip, be away for a while.

CMH: I Dave's family are mostly working with open farming and calves.

HD: So the ranching business is going on into the next generation? I imagine that pleases you?

CMH: Yes, kinda this progression if it keeps going. Reminds me of the story about the man who went to get his horse shawed and he asked the blacksmith how much and he said it was $6. Well that's too much. And he said "I'll shoe the horse this way. Pay a penny for the first nail, double it on each nail; two cents for the second, four. That sounded pretty good. After he got to thinking about it though, he found it was going to run him millions of dollars because, 32 nails if you double one 32 times the last nail being a million dollars. Add ‘em up.

HD: Pretty expensive.

CMH: I don't expect my grandchildren to be quite like that but I was an only child. I had the two {boys}. My boy Hubert has four. My boy David has eight.

HD: They are doubling. {laughter}. Well I think that many people will enjoy your tapes Mr. Hull. You have certainly covered the farming development very well, and those of us that are interested in this will play them and share some of these memories with you. I thank you very much and look forward to maybe talking with you again.

CMH: It's been kind of fun mulling this over

HD: It is always nice to reminisce isn't it?

CMH: Sure is. Thank you very much.

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